Understanding that basics are not basic

[Eastcoastkenpoist]

I am so glad you dropped the veil of civility. And if you think what I said precludes me from being a "master" than none of the black belts you know are masters. You should have heard some of the things Ed Parker has said to idiots when he had to deal with sniping morons sometimes. Besides, "mastership" is not only in what you say. I'm just a tad stressed out at the moment, and not very tolerant of idiots today. Besides, if the worst thing you've might have been called is an idiot, consider yourself lucky, compared to some of the Ed Parker expletives he's cut loose on morons who thought they were being cute because they really didn't want information, but instead were looking for someway to prove him wrong. By your standard, Ed Parker was no master either, and oddly enough, he agreed with you. Take a number if you don't like what I say, but let the ones that want the info move to the front, and you sir just keep doing what you're doing. I will not miss you or your brown belt. Just maybe you should hang around a bit more before you make judgements about things you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about.

Note to self: "Hit Ignore."

Please take your own advice sir. Hundreds of posts could be quoted to show the contradictions in this 1.

[profesormental]

Greetings.

Just to get a glimpse of what we're talking about here:

- The execution of basics/fundamental movements is much more complex than many think, specially if they want to be executed with maximal and optimal results. This is trained in the SL-K 101 Course Sets.

- Even footwork has to be done in a specific way to maximize our efforts because of our biomechanical parameters. This is described and trained in Stance Set 101, Kicking Set 101.

- Yellow Belt techniques from the EPAK/EPKK curriculum, are they basic or not? In the curriculum, they were created after the rest of the Curriculum as an Introduction/Basic self defense course, specially for women.

- Drag steps and steps can be done with different weight distributions. For optimal performance of some application, the total posture is what matters.

- Self Defense techniques are mostly for reactionary defense against attacks. If you see it coming a mile away and are ready, it is a strategic offensive method, which permits many other mechanisms to be employed, and it is much easier, since you begin from a controlled posture, not a posture that you have been moved to.

I have yet to see someone discuss and argue that what the peoples that practice SL-Kenpo/SL-4 are doing is somehow flawed or wrong in some way. If someone knows a better way, please let us know and convince us that it is. I'm sure Doc would say "Hey baby, back that thing up!!" and have a discussion of how to improve.

That is what he does on a continuous basis. Even details of what I learned he's tweaking and when he gets a bit rested and I can pester him on the phone, I'll ask and get the stuff.

All other arguments against SL-4 and what we do that cannot invalidate our methods are better left unsaid on public forums. Please attack and our methods with logic and reasonable arguments. We welcome that.

So there :P

Sincerely,

Juan Mercado-Robles

P.S. MarkC, you now have to do Form 103 (Short 1) and Long 1 1000 times while saying Short 1, then do Short 2 and Long 2 1000 times while saying Short/Long 2.

[MarkC]

Only 1000 each? I'm getting away virtually unscathed!

[JamesB]

Only 1000 each? I'm getting away virtually unscathed!

he's just biding time whilst he thinks up your *real* punishment!! bawwwaaw!! :-)

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[Eastcoastkenpoist]

Greetings.

Just to get a glimpse of what we're talking about here:

- The execution of basics/fundamental movements is much more complex than many think, specially if they want to be executed with maximal and optimal results. This is trained in the SL-K 101 Course Sets.

- Even footwork has to be done in a specific way to maximize our efforts because of our biomechanical parameters. This is described and trained in Stance Set 101, Kicking Set 101.

- Yellow Belt techniques from the EPAK/EPKK curriculum, are they basic or not? In the curriculum, they were created after the rest of the Curriculum as an Introduction/Basic self defense course, specially for women.

- Drag steps and steps can be done with different weight distributions. For optimal performance of some application, the total posture is what matters.

- Self Defense techniques are mostly for reactionary defense against attacks. If you see it coming a mile away and are ready, it is a strategic offensive method, which permits many other mechanisms to be employed, and it is much easier, since you begin from a controlled posture, not a posture that you have been moved to.

I have yet to see someone discuss and argue that what the peoples that practice SL-Kenpo/SL-4 are doing is somehow flawed or wrong in some way. If someone knows a better way, please let us know and convince us that it is. I'm sure Doc would say "Hey baby, back that thing up!!" and have a discussion of how to improve.

That is what he does on a continuous basis. Even details of what I learned he's tweaking and when he gets a bit rested and I can pester him on the phone, I'll ask and get the stuff.

All other arguments against SL-4 and what we do that cannot invalidate our methods are better left unsaid on public forums. Please attack and our methods with logic and reasonable arguments. We welcome that.

So there :P

Sincerely,

Juan Mercado-Robles

P.S. MarkC, you now have to do Form 103 (Short 1) and Long 1 1000 times while saying Short 1, then do Short 2 and Long 2 1000 times while saying Short/Long 2.

I appreciate your post. We can all do better to have open discussion. Especially those with commercial interests one way or another.

[KenpoChanger]

I would just like to point out that I was talking about Kenpo in sense that a person learns it from yellow belt up in an E.P.A.K school. I did not confuse learning kenpo with the attempt at a history lesson about the development of kenpo. I was talking about the art we learn as E.P.A.K practitioners and not kenpo as a whole. I do believe that each variation is a seperate art in and of themselves, but apparently this concept is up for debate. I'm sorry for the confusion caused by my apparent lack of respect.
Sean

[MarkC]

Thank you, sir. In # 3, you plant the foot into the 45 degree angle initially, rather than to twelve and pivoting it, correct?

Just a bump....

[MrBunny]

Hey.. look at this.... I found the tracks....
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Back to the original questions of Opposite and Reverse and how many step drags.

Now.. here is the interesting thing, in the last ohhh i don't know.. 9 pages.. we have illustrated precisely why these questions come up from new students and seasoned artists alike. It's not that the terms are not defined, it's not that bio-mechanics behind the motion has not been beaten to death in discussion but rather a problem of context.

Example, Doc.. is a reverse or an opposite more appropriate to use?

answer... it depends.

If a question lacks context then the correct answer will never be found.

Is the left the opposite of the right? is forward the opposite of backwards? According to the English language the answers would be yes, but what is the point of a definition without the context of it's application? Could one state that a man walking forwards may reverse his motion by walking in the opposite direction? Sure. One tends to be a physical description and the other is an action.

so.... you know what that inherently means to the students?

answer... not a thing... in of itself.

So in answer to what is the difference between opposite and Reverse?
Answer .... yes

Second question... how many step drags are there in the system?

How do you mean.. how many variations of a step drag is there within the American Kenpo system's foot work?
or How often is the step drag usable? How often should it be used? How many times is it used in the "ideal phase" with the existing cirriculum? Which Cirriculum? etc etc etc...

Thus the answer is....... yes.

so many questions... so little is the speck of dust.. but not neccessarily from it's point of view.

Mr.Bunny

P.S. hello all... been a while.

[Lenny]

If there's an opposite and reverse for every movement, what is the reverse of a throw ( or wrist lock/ join bar)? That's something I have been wondering about since I first heard the rule of opposites and reverses. Simply reversing the motion doesn't seem to provide an answer in all cases. Any thoughts?

[DavidCC]

If there's an opposite and reverse for every movement, what is the reverse of a throw ( or wrist lock/ join bar)? That's something I have been wondering about since I first heard the rule of opposites and reverses. Simply reversing the motion doesn't seem to provide an answer in all cases. Any thoughts?

Well, I'm sure the best answer here is - the ideas of opposite motion and reverse motion are good tools for analyzing bodies in motion, but they are just conceptual ideas and so may not be as valuable in some analyses as they are in others.

But if you wanted to pursue it anyway, perhaps look not so much as reversing what happened to the thrown body but instead look more abstractly at your motions used in the throwing.

[J Ellis]

But if you wanted to pursue it anyway, perhaps look not so much as reversing what happened to the thrown body but instead look more abstractly at your motions used in the throwing.

In fact, reversing the motion of many locks and throws will frequently create another one.

Joel